Subject	Re: Yes something is wrong with the wastegate springs
Posted by	aliaZ (IC Nazi) on September 19, 2003 at 12:12 PM
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In Reply To	Yes something is wrong with the wastegate springs posted by Thrash on September 19, 2003 at 10:55 AM
Message	: I have heard repeatedly that boost controllers can at best double the boost a turbo is set for. 11.5 PSI x 2 is 23PSI - my theotetical limit. I don't agree with this statement. Stockers are set for ~7psi, yet I have heard of people taking them past 21 psi. Seems that a boost controller can at least triple the native boost setting in this case. :The conclusion is that lag is not from the wastegates yet my max hp is limited by my max holding boost. I think its a bit premature to draw a conclusion at this point
Follow Ups	PE1420 Dyno - Thrash 18:32:14 09/18/03 very impressive #'s!! (n/m) - Wagz 18:33:32 09/18/03 I can't wait to see all the bugs worked out as well - PiotrC70 10:23:37 09/19/03 Finally!!! A dyno sheet!Good numbers! (n/m) - zeddiea27 18:36:29 09/18/03 what were the mods on it? (n/m) - BooZted 18:41:03 09/18/03 normally, i'd bash you for being stupid... - nixit 18:43:31 09/18/03 Wow, your being nice, you must be sleepy. :) (n/m) - Spongerider :) 18:46:40 09/18/03 How was I supposed to know that it was his car tested? - BooZted 19:05:40 09/18/03 lol, no sweat. check his profile... - nixit 19:41:56 09/18/03 nice... - nixit 18:41:12 09/18/03 Noticed that too. Maybe Greg will mention it? - SeedyROM 19:22:22 09/18/03 This car was running well...... - Specialty-Z 20:11:08 09/18/03 Good info! Bookmarked. - SeedyROM 21:34:14 09/18/03 that solidifies my decision... - Spee 21:41:54 09/18/03 a bit premature imho (n/m) - aliaZ (IC Nazi) 10:24:19 09/19/03 If we could only get a few more dynos "cough" Woody,Don. - Chip(GMS Racing) 12:57:23 09/19/03 yep...I'm fairly sure Tim will beat me to the dyno - aliaZ (IC Nazi) 13:23:55 09/19/03 you would probably be right... - Spee 22:44:14 09/19/03 gotcha... - aliaZ (IC Nazi) 08:46:11 09/20/03 I don't doubt that... - Spee 15:37:51 09/21/03 That's weird, I can feel mine come on at around 3k. - Woody75 (Denver) 22:15:26 09/18/03 Feeling about the same as you right now I'm hoping its - RegalZ 22:42:48 09/18/03 exact opposite from what I've heard - aliaZ (IC Nazi) 22:51:12 09/18/03 Re: exact opposite from what I've heard - larryb 23:35:55 09/18/03 The #s came best at 21.6 PSI...We did get the boost ..... - Specialty-Z 00:06:57 09/19/03 Re: The....I am sure the backpressure was blowing the watega - TRD300Z 06:20:47 09/19/03 you're jumping to conclusions - aliaZ (IC Nazi) 09:40:03 09/19/03 So how did they rectify the problem? (n/m) - degradated 22:11:04 09/19/03 Dual port wastegate actuators (n/m) - TRD300Z 20:28:58 09/20/03 I disagree with your first point - aliaZ (IC Nazi) 09:38:17 09/19/03 Your welcome to your own opinion..... - Specialty-Z 23:47:18 09/19/03 Re: Your welcome to your own opinion..... - larryb 08:05:04 09/20/03 thanks for the reply - aliaZ (IC Nazi) 08:44:32 09/20/03 Do you have flow numbers for your ported manifolds? - maglito 18:44:03 09/18/03 No - the porting is very minor (n/m) - Thrash 19:08:02 09/18/03 Nice #'s! What are the aprox. cost of the turbos? (n/m) - Spongerider :) 18:45:09 09/18/03 classifieds -see justin and chip posts (n/m) - maglito 18:51:10 09/18/03 I didn't ask you Noob. (n/m) - Spongerider :) 18:52:05 09/18/03 wow - aliaZ (IC Nazi) 23:15:36 09/18/03 Re: wow (n/m) - Spongerider :) 11:15:32 09/19/03 Email me. (n/m) - Chip(GMS Racing) 18:56:28 09/18/03 i dont like it, but i dont hate it..... - Chris(NJ) 18:47:41 09/18/03 it's not "the numbers" that are worry-some, it's the - nixit 19:41:16 09/18/03 i'd say that is why they leaned it out so much from ~3k-4k - Chris(NJ) 20:17:07 09/18/03 Actually, Greg answered that right here... - SeedyROM 21:35:54 09/18/03 We actually richened the mixture about 6% there (n/m) - Specialty-Z 23:46:15 09/18/03 were you running on 8# springs? - aliaZ (IC Nazi) 18:48:01 09/18/03 The springs were replaced with heavier - I don't know #s (n/m) - Thrash 19:10:27 09/18/03 doesn't make sense - aliaZ (IC Nazi) 23:01:03 09/18/03 2nd (n/m) - Woody75 (Denver) 23:04:51 09/18/03 Re: PE1420 Dyno - larryb 18:49:59 09/18/03 You sure about that? - degradated 17:28:31 09/19/03 Re: You sure about that? - larryb 18:43:07 09/19/03 here's the equation: - aliaZ (IC Nazi) 20:48:50 09/19/03 Yep... thanks for chiming in there - degradated 22:08:39 09/19/03 Agreed....The math does not work. (n/m) - Specialty-Z 23:37:26 09/19/03 I have been doing this for a long time and..... - Specialty-Z 23:35:45 09/19/03 Re: I have been doing this for a long time and..... - larryb 09:42:34 09/20/03 JWT 535 BB's for me thanks, maybe the Z1 550s. (n/m) - TonyD(90Z32TT) 18:57:58 09/18/03 As mentioned above, there are still problems w/ the setup. - Kenny 9 psi 19:12:59 09/18/03 Rob most likely does not have any problems with his setup. - Chip(GMS Racing) 19:17:11 09/18/03 Word has it he is not the first to exhibit that much lag - SeedyROM 19:19:43 09/18/03 Re: Word has it he is not the first to exhibit that much lag - larryb 19:24:47 09/18/03 How was your spool-up? - Chip(GMS Racing) 19:25:36 09/18/03 Re: How was your spool-up? - larryb 19:29:40 09/18/03 Ugh. Wouldn't be a problem if the wastegates were external. - Kenny 9 psi 19:31:37 09/18/03 Good to hear. Plans to re-dyno anytime soon? - SeedyROM 19:32:00 09/18/03 Oops, now I see...going to TD05s (n/m) - SeedyROM 21:31:24 09/18/03 You are switching to TD05's...? - degradated 19:49:51 09/18/03 Re: You are switching to TD05's...? - larryb 20:12:10 09/18/03 THIS IS WHY THE Z32 SUCKS!!!!! Have to pull the f***ing - jamcru 21:22:31 09/18/03 Re: THIS IS WHY THE Z32 SUCKS!!!!! Have to pull the f***ing - Dallas DamonZ 10:17:05 09/19/03 Honestly, I don't know who it was :( - SeedyROM 19:30:40 09/18/03 FYI - the 484 RWHP was 19 degrees timing - Daily drive level (n/m) - Thrash 19:59:19 09/18/03 I figured, that's why I said the peak numbers were the ones - SeedyROM 21:32:24 09/18/03 That is not bad, concidering a stock engine with many miles - Chip(GMS Racing) 19:14:46 09/18/03 Why didn't you go to Morgan Motorsports? - degradated 20:02:04 09/18/03 Morgan Motorsports sold the dyno to new owners. - Thrash 20:07:04 09/18/03 Ahh... I liked the old dyno program/printouts better - degradated 20:12:08 09/18/03 Yeah Harry is still there..... (n/m) - Seb 21:06:34 09/18/03 Is there a way you can slow your advance curve? - tonydanza 22:06:01 09/18/03 Nope - what would I need? E-manage? Ash ECU? (n/m) - Thrash 22:24:59 09/18/03 The Ash ECU would not do it, Because every car ... - Specialty-Z 23:33:30 09/18/03 An E-manage with a timing harness would do it. (n/m) - Funky (NWZ) 16:14:47 09/20/03 Make sure you get the MAP sensor for the e-manage too... - Funky (NWZ) 17:17:38 09/20/03 The small change you are seeing on the early part of the.... - Specialty-Z 23:28:42 09/18/03 I like the #'s but I hate the way that chart looks - RegalZ 22:32:26 09/18/03 Here is a spoolup comparison to 535's - degradated 22:41:31 09/18/03 I was just about to do the same comparison, thanks! And - RegalZ 22:47:14 09/18/03 Just realized... - degradated 22:59:36 09/18/03 Compression was 155 to 150 on all cylinders - 3 months ago (n/m) - Thrash 23:04:15 09/18/03 Everytime I look at that comparison it makes me feel better (n/m) - RegalZ 22:55:26 09/18/03 Your not showing that chart that's tuned Ryan that made 523 (n/m) - Seb 22:59:30 09/18/03 Good point ;-( (n/m) - RegalZ 23:04:42 09/18/03 I can post that, but - degradated 23:05:23 09/18/03 I would be damn happy if I can split Seb's tuned and - RegalZ 23:13:13 09/18/03 It was around 22 psi (n/m) - Seb 23:51:56 09/18/03 Very interesting. Nice work. (n/m) - Thrash 23:00:28 09/18/03 looking at the charts is one comparison...... - Specialty-Z 23:19:31 09/18/03 Cool... thanks for the info, Greg. (n/m) - degradated 23:42:55 09/18/03 My Pleasure :) - Specialty-Z 23:55:18 09/18/03 Those #'s are pretty good for such a new turbo. I - 1BADTTZ 23:10:29 09/18/03 I think those number are great... - mr. zed line 23:12:35 09/18/03 Pics of the 530s and 1420s>>>>>>>>> - Seb 00:24:39 09/19/03 Nice Pic Seb ;) - Specialty-Z 00:43:12 09/19/03 You need a better angle of the front of the PE1420. - Woody75 (Denver) 08:08:28 09/19/03 Now the reliability war begins. (n/m) - TonyD(90Z32TT) 01:00:45 09/19/03 Why is that? It's not a new turbo company. (n/m) - Woody75 (Denver) 09:07:42 09/19/03 Yep, IHI is by no means a new company, - Chip(GMS Racing) 10:18:39 09/19/03 In case anyone cares - Technomancer 12:43:53 09/19/03 Where is Strictly Dyno?? - JeWRaCeR 06:29:12 09/19/03 18446 hart st, reseda, ca 91335 (n/m) - Thrash 10:57:21 09/19/03 2nd, going to get my chevy dynoed now! (n/m) - Stealth021 12:39:01 09/19/03 anyone thought about switching the wastegate acuators out? - Irocsx2002 09:41:25 09/19/03 I think you're still having wastegate issues - aliaZ (IC Nazi) 09:53:43 09/19/03 Doesn't the heavier spring help... - mr. zed line 10:02:30 09/19/03 It depends on who they buy from, yours are set perfectly - Chip(GMS Racing) 10:47:13 09/19/03 Yes something is wrong with the wastegate springs - Thrash 10:55:40 09/19/03 Re: Yes something is wrong with the wastegate springs - aliaZ (IC Nazi) 12:12:15 09/19/03 I think you have the wrong springs installed - aliaZ (IC Nazi) 14:40:40 09/19/03 I think your right (n/m) - Thrash 15:37:52 09/19/03 Holy shit, if aliaZ is right these turbos really are cursed - RegalZ 16:33:23 09/19/03 Mine are right, I just need to get everything broke in more. - Woody75 (Denver) 16:46:05 09/19/03 how many break in miles are you after? 1k? - aliaZ (IC Nazi) 16:55:53 09/19/03 Seriously, take a road trip or something ;-) (n/m) - RegalZ 17:28:56 09/19/03 I have silver springs left over... - Thrash 13:54:32 09/20/03 in that case you have the correct springs installed :/ - aliaZ (IC Nazi) 14:12:21 09/20/03 Lag. (n/m) - AshsZ of Z1Motorsports.com 13:13:15 09/19/03 Well I got my PE1420s from Greg... - ZisLuv 21:01:13 09/19/03 555's are cutting it kinda close imho - aliaZ (IC Nazi) 22:09:53 09/19/03 Sounds identical to my setup except for the cams - RegalZ 10:07:57 09/20/03 If the turbos will support it I am sure the fuel will be... - ZisLuv 13:42:23 09/20/03
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